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Re: This is the Truth that Scentura distributors would hate for you to find out about.
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Posted by Rob on November 21, 19102 at 20:13:31:
In Reply to: This is the Truth that Scentura distributors would hate for you to find out about. posted by Mike Barrick on July 27, 19101 at 03:20:13:
That's nice that you always thought we were nice people. I always thought the same of you! But, please don't try to infer either indirectly or directly that your reasons for leaving the business have anything at all to do with me or how I run my business or how I take care of my people. Truth be told is that Patrick quit while we were on a vacation and never gave me an opportunity to be an ear for his concerns, nor provide any answers to his concerns, nor provide other options to his career path. But, of course, you wouldn't know that because, as you know, people don't always tell the WHOLE truth as to why they quit something. Do they? But your reasons for leaving have obviously been duly noted multiple times in multiple places. I'm sure you remember, Ricki went to the same H.S. as you in Phx. You were a little older than her. We looked up the high school sites and saw some old pic's of you. You look the same then as I remember you. You should look 'em up. I'm sure you'll get a kick out of them. Hope everything is well in your life and you sound like you have a nice family now. Maybe one day you'll also be able to move off of these Scentura sites and quite possibly allow the co,. to do for others what you give it credit for doing for you. I can appreciate your rational in you eyes for why you left, but would have prefered it not be attached to my name or my reputation. Thanks in advance for this situation never to be crossed again. :
: This is a lengthly email exchange with someone like you that wanted to know the skinny on the "Opportunity" with Scentura. :
: START AT THE BOTTOM AND WORK YOUR WAY UP! : > Mike,
: > Thank you for answering my questions about scentura and how things really
: > are. I was wondering if I had done the right thing by quitting, but now I
: > rally do feel like I did what was in my best interest. Thank you for your
: > time and information, it helped me more than you will ever know. Good luck
: > with your new found career and I hope everything works out for the best
: with
: > you.
: >
: > Once again, Thanks,
: >
: > Patrick
: >
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > >From: "KidsChairs"
: > >To: "Patrick Nichols"
: > >Subject: Re: Scentura Creations
: > >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:45:28 -0600
: > >:
: THIS IS MY RESPONSE TO HIS FIRST EMAIL THAT YOU WILL FIND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE :
: > >Patrick,
: > >It's hard for me to give you the "truth" because I am not sure what info
: > >they wouldn't disclose. Yes, I know Rob & Ricki..........I always
: thought
: > >they were nice people.
: > >
: > >I left for a lot of reasons. I guess the main thing was that I realized
: > >about my 5th year or so that it really isn't a business that "anyone" can
: > >do. It's takes not only a significant talent level but additionally, a
: > >special type of personality having the right combination of blind faith,
: > >tenacity, positive attitude, etc... I knew early on that not all or
: even
: > >many would make it, but I always thought those that stuck it out would
: > >become successful so I believed I could help those that helped
: themselves.
: > >Not the case, I promoted probably 25-35 offices myself, and had my owners
: > >undrneath me promote another 25-35 offices through the years and hardly
: any
: > >of them made it past the first year. Believe it or not, there were
: several
: > >that still wouldn't quit even after bringing them back in for retraining
: > >and
: > >re promoting them and them failing again and they would keep coming back
: > >despite their marriage having failed in the process, and ruining their
: > >credit, etc... These people weren't quitters.......they believed what
: I
: > >told them. They thought if they hung in there, eventually they would put
: > >it
: > >all together and be a huge success. You think that it will all get
: better
: > >when you open your own office. Then you struggle as an office owner but
: > >think its going to get better once you start promoting people, then you
: > >think its really going to happen when you become a regional, and so
: > >on......
: > >
: > >This is of key importance in that business that you don't realize until
: you
: > >are way in for years and actually start making significant money in
: > >overrides. I assume you know as a promoting owner you make money off of
: > >every bottle your promoted offices sell?
: > >
: > >By the time I stopped believing I was doing good, I already had 15 or so
: > >offices underneath me and was making $1500-2000 per week in overrides
: > >before
: > >I woke up on Monday and took a shower. Who would walk away from that
: kind
: > >of money? I was on the verge of quitting after about my 6th year and sat
: > >down with Carol Shottenfeld, ( I assume Mark and Carol are still in the
: > >business ), and she said that if you quit when things are down ( they
: were
: > >at that time and I had lost alot of offices that year ), you would feel
: > >like
: > >a loser and you won't quit when things are going good because your making
: > >too much money. This is the case for many people running offices.
: > >
: > >So you continue and try to believe but the truth is.......very few people
: > >will ever make any significant money in that business. Think about
: > >this....How many office owners have you come in contact with that are
: doing
: > >well? I don't mean nice car because lets be honest........about anybody
: > >with decent credit can be driving a Lexus or a Corvette, with a high
: > >payment
: > >of course. I am talking about seriously living in a nice home they OWN
: not
: > >rent. Money in the bank, etc.....
: > >Aside from Rob & Ricki and their promoting owners ( I think it was Kerry
: > >Brunson if memory serves ), I will bet you haven't met anyone or at least
: > >not many that run offices that are actually banking alot of money. On
: the
: > >other hand, I bet you have met quite a few that are getting by clinging
: to
: > >the hope that "real success" is just right around the corner if they just
: > >keep hanging on. And so the process goes.
: > >
: > >One more thing about Scentura or any business like it is you may as well
: > >forget ever having any time off with peace of mind. I never enjoyed
: being
: > >away from my office regardless of where I went because there were always
: > >problems from hell happening while I was away. I remember being in Maui
: on
: > >one of the trips that only the top 10 people go on each year, and being
: > >awoken by my VP calling me at 4:00 am to tell me one of my owners in
: > >Virginia Beach had blown out with all his office bottles plus all the
: > >bottles from an office he promoted. Made it tough to try and relax and
: > >have
: > >a good time when I had just gotten the news somebody had stolen $5000
: from
: > >me.
: > >
: > >You made a good point about everyone there being a salesman because they
: > >make money by keeping people around moving bottles. The DC owners make
: > >money by keeping their people around. Regional managers make money by
: > >keeping their owners around. Larry Hahn makes money by keeping the
: > >Regional
: > >Managers around. It's tough to believe anybody cares about you because
: > >they
: > >have an agenda.
: > >
: > >On a final note regardign the "family" that you have become a part of
: with
: > >Scentura..........When I declared my intentions to leave and start
: another
: > >business, I was about immediately cut off from my override money from the
: > >offices I had promoted, and the my promoting owner bad mouthed me to the
: > >offices underneath me in an attempt to get them loyal to him. After all
: > >those years, and being used as an example of how a young guy can be
: > >successful in the business, being on the company film, etc...... my
: > >departure was almost humiliating. The only people I still speak to are
: > >some
: > >"real" friends I made who are also doing other things now.
: > >
: > >I said I wasn't goind to write a book report but it looks like I did
: > >anyway.
: > >Good luck to you with whatever decision you make.
: > >
: > >Michael A Barrick
: > >KidsChairs
: > >2201 Long Prairie #107-195
: > >Flower Mound, TX 75022 : > >----- Original Message -----
: > >From: "Patrick Nichols"
: > >To:
: > >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 12:06 AM
: > >Subject: RE: Scentura Creations
: > >
: THIS IS HIS INITIAL LETTER TO ME
:
: > >
: > > > Mike,
: > > > My name is Patrick Nichols. I have been working for Designers' Int. in
: > > > Birmingham, Al, a D.C. for scentura. You propably know Rob and Rikki
: > >Zuckert
: > > > who run the regional office here. Anyway, I am, or should I say that I
: > >was
: > > > only two weeks away from moving to Louisville, Ky to be the right hand
: > >for
: > >a
: > > > couple that is going to open their office there on the first of
: > >February.
: > >I
: > > > quit today because of the way some things were said and of how several
: > > > questions were left unanswered. I know that they make everything look
: > >great
: > > > and that they promise you everything, but something doesn't feel quite
: > >right
: > > > about it. could you please let me know a few reasons you quit.
: Everyone
: > > > there is a salesman and I kept feeling like they were trying to sell
: an
: > >idea
: > > > without telling the entire truth. I don't want to bash the company or
: > >spread
: > > > false rumors, i would just like to know the truth about what they
: won't
: > >tell
: > > > you. Please let me know.
: > > >
: > > > Thank you for your time,
: > > > patrick
: > > >
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